| From : | Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org> |
| To : | Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>; Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge> |
| Subject : | FW: POM and related questions |
| Cc : | Tamar Barkalaia <tbarkalaia@moh.gov.ge>; Tamar Gabunia <tgabunia@moh.gov.ge>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>; Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>; Alicia C. Marguerie <amarguerie@worldbank.org>; Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Gvenetadze <ngvenetadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Veltauri <nveltauri@moh.gov.ge>; Lika Klimiashvili <lklimiashvili@moh.gov.ge> |
| Received On : | 04.08.2020 09:32 |
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Dear Nino,
In follow up to the email below, I ‘d like to elaborate more on the required parts of the POM as there are still missing parts , including description of the disbursement arrangements for the expansion of the TSA and benefits to vulnerable
households , including large hh with children (subcomponent 2.1) .
This subcomponent 2.1 relies on the existing administration, database and established processes which need to be described, including the evidence needed for reimbursement.
There needs to be some sort of external check (through an external firm) or internal (based on agreed arrangements) before the PIU requests a withdrawal to the Bank.
As an example, in Latin America , once the payroll list is generated (in your case by the RS for unemployment benefits and by the online portal for the one-off benefit) there is a ‘Transfers Committee’ (conformed by the different actors
involved in the payment of transfers) that generates a sort of Minutes confirming that those are the “right” people to be paid, and the processes were followed based on the predefined agreements. This is sent to No objection by the Bank, and then program disburses
to beneficiaries. In Latin America they have also conditionalities attached to benefits (like children attendance in school and health clinic visits). A verification by an external firm is made of conditionalities and the PIU withdrawal request is done based
on the results of this verification.
In the current Georgia case, my understanding is that:
I hope it helps,
Maddalena
From: Maddalena Honorati
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 5:32 PM
To: Nino Kvernadze
Cc: Tamar Gabunia
Subject: RE: POM and related questions
Dear Nino,
Many thanks for submitting the revised POM and for clarifying our questions in the email below.
The revised POM has addressed some comments and was enriched with new information. We have deleted the addressed comments and left the comments that require elaboration in the write-up. In addition, for your consideration we had edited
in track change to add information as per our knowledge based on the several amendments of Resolution #286.
Nonetheless, the verification protocols for the disbursement of the cash transfers - especially the new ones (unemployment benefit and one off benefits) - need to be clearly defined in the POM as well as the PIU’s random checks and the
required evidence to be provided while submitting the reimbursement applications. There are guiding questions that may hep you fill the missing information.
As previously offered, Nino Moroskina and Djamshid are available to help you complete the draft by helping gather the information to address all the comments. They can also check the POM before iit is submitted to TTLs to confirm that all
comments are elaborated in the text.
Regarding the internal audits, while it was agreed during the negotiations that the Project will be included in the annual audit plan of internal audit department of MoILHSA, we had not received confirmation. The internal audit are crucial
for ensuring controls over flow of funds.
Kind regards,
Maddalena
From: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:08 PM
To: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>
Cc: Tamar Gabunia <tgabunia@moh.gov.ge>; Tamar Barkalaia <tbarkalaia@moh.gov.ge>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>;
Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>; Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Gvenetadze <ngvenetadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Veltauri <nveltauri@moh.gov.ge>; Lika Klimiashvili
<lklimiashvili@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: RE: POM and related questions
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Dear Maddalena,
Good evening. When I saw your question, I was trying to find the chart N2 (p19) in POM which explains the compensation process of informal and formal workers and I accidently found out that I have sent the morning version (july 29)of POM,
the dates were the same, However this was the wrong version.
If you compare you will find out the chart I am refereeing to is missing from the previous version.
I am truly sorry for that and please use currently enclosed one.
As for the question, there are three basic information an applicant should upload: the Name, Personal ID number and a bank account. Meaning that everybody who wants get temporary assistance must have a bank account during the application
submission process.
If your question is more on human rights side, even if a person feels ill and is unable to go to the bank and open an account, there is a special service, which is absolutely free and the Bank’s staff can visit this person at home and
help to open an account, if requested.
Hope that I could answer your question.
Best regards,
Nino
From: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 AM
To: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>
Cc: Tamar Gabunia <tgabunia@moh.gov.ge>; Tamar Barkalaia <tbarkalaia@moh.gov.ge>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>;
Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>; Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Gvenetadze <ngvenetadze@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: RE: POM and related questions
Dear Nino,
Many thanks for the revised POM and for clarifying and responding to our questions below. We will start the review right away and get back to you the sooner.
Related to bank accounts, it is good practice to pay benefits through bank accounts and we understand it is pretty simple and cheap to open a bank account in Georgia. We understand also that the majority (95%) of formal workers have bank
accounts (with remaining 5% without) and that TSA is paid mostly through post offices. Are there alternative payment mechanisms in case informal workers who apply for the one off benefits do not have a bank account and/or formal workers laid off do not have
a bank account? Have you encountered such cases so far?
Kind regards,
Maddalena
From: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:15 PM
To: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>
Cc: Tamar Gabunia <tgabunia@moh.gov.ge>; Tamar Barkalaia <tbarkalaia@moh.gov.ge>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>;
Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>; Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>; Nino Gvenetadze <ngvenetadze@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: POM and related questions
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Dear Maddlena,
Dear Volkan,
This is to inform you that we have tried to respond to all your questions and fill the document with information as much as we could. Since the process from your side might still feel difficult
to understand, because there are many supporting documents (resolutions, amendments, instructions, orders, etc ) which describes the whole process separately, we suggest to have a call with involved parties and finalize the POM together.
the Annex D was very long, we made it as separate document. Please also find answers to your questions below. However it is better to see the document first, since you might get better understanding
of the process.
Best regards,
Nino
Questions:
Yes (please refer to the process chart, POM)
SSA does not undertint the question. Please refer to the process chart of the POM.
Extended until August 1st.
Self-employee submits an application while registering, to the RS. If its formal. If informal, no registration at RS is needed. For example nannys, they do not pay taxes,
hence if they lost their job because of the covid 19, they would need only a contract as an evidence and this information should be submitted to SESA, not the RS. The special commission will discuss the evidence and within 10 days the compensation will be
paid.
As for the bank accounts, there is established experience that all state allowances are transferred through bank transfers. In addition, there is an instruction available
and widely spread information how to register in the system and that everyone needs a bank account. In case of need, people are assisted to open a bank account.
Specified statuses are given to those, when for example the dates are missing, or terms.
Commission makes decisions in accordance with the criteria’s defined in the Res. N 286
This is for informal workers, meaning that this person will register economic activity as it was and the commission will make a decision whether this
activity is eligible. This type of applicant does not need registration in RS. They only need accurate evidence.
The time has extended until August 1st.
This is a question to the revenue service. As for the numbers, this is a recent figure 146,287
Eligible: April, May,June
o
Is yes, is there a plan to extend the window of eligibility?
The Ministry does not know yet.
From: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:38 PM
To: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Cc: Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>; Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>
Subject: RE: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
Dear Nino,
I hope this email finds you well.
We look forward to receiving the revised POM and appreciate an update on it and questions raised.
Thanks in advance
Maddalena
From: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:42 PM
To: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>
Cc: Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>; Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>
Subject: RE: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
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Dear Maddalena,
I understand your concerns. The problem is that the group which was working on data covenants in SESA and SSA is the same group who should send us the description of the FM structure in POM. It has been a tough
week for all of us, documents and questions, and indications back and forth. Plus the project procurement and FM. Unbelievable number of information and documents was shared and processed. I have just received the first draft of the WP on data covenant.
Will review and send it for translation, just to make sure you receive it on Monday. As for the POM, we of course can send you it tomorrow, but from my point of view, if we give them this weekend, together with Nata, they will analyze the FM process well,
and I am sure we will have better document on Monday.
In addition I have received ESMF + LMP as well. SEP is under review. We have tried to involve everyone who should be reviewing these documents. Both deputy ministers are assisting us in the project implementation
and I believe we will finalize all the documents really soon and move to the next step.
Give me tomorrow and will inform you during a day on POM and the questions you have raised in your previous email.
Best regards,
Nino
From: Maddalena Honorati [mailto:mhonorati@worldbank.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:38 PM
To: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Cc: Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>; Mehek Marwaha <mehek.marwaha@aiib.org>; Nino V. Moroshkina <nmoroshkina@worldbank.org>
Subject: FW: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
Importance: High
Dear Nino,
Just a quick check in as we are unclear on several aspects of the design and verification processes of benefits under the SP components (some questions in the email below, others in the last version of the POM sent). We understand you are
working hard to clarify those in the POM, and look forward to the revised draft tomorrow.
We may need to raise these questions with Tamila and Tamar if we do not get answers by tomorrow.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Maddalena
From: Maddalena Honorati
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:15 PM
To: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>; Tamar Barkalaia <tbarkalaia@moh.gov.ge>
Cc: Lela Ghongadze <lghongadze@worldbank.org>; Alicia C. Marguerie <amarguerie@worldbank.org>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>;
nino_moroshkina@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
Dear Nino,
Many thanks. These are excellent news. We look forward to both revised POM and first draft of the Action Plan.
We had reviewed the documents Nino M. sent and we have still some clarification questions ( some of the questions are included in the draft POM also and we hope are addressed in the revised POM you are working on). I copy DM Barkalaia
for her information and inputs.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Maddalena
From: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:06 PM
To: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>;
nino_moroshkina@yahoo.com
Cc: Lela Ghongadze <lghongadze@worldbank.org>; Alicia C. Marguerie <amarguerie@worldbank.org>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: RE: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
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Dear Maddalena,
We are working within the Ministry to finalize the financial process description of POM. Not sure with the exact deadline, but Friday is the latest. However it can be tomorrow as well, depending on the availability
of time of our colleagues.
As for the data covenants, we had a very fruitful meeting and the first draft of the Action Plan, which is in Georgian yet, is already prepared. It is under internal review now. As you know PIU is facilitating
the process. The tentative deadline is as follows: Finalization of the first draft – Thursday 23,
Translation – Friday -24, Submission to the WB – Monday 27.
Hope this response is useful at this stage.
Best regards,
Nino
From: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:51 PM
To: Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>;
nino_moroshkina@yahoo.com
Cc: Lela Ghongadze <lghongadze@worldbank.org>; Alicia C. Marguerie <amarguerie@worldbank.org>; Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>;
Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: RE: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
Dear Nino,
Following up on the meeting last week, could you please update us on the status of the revised POM and when you will be able to share the final one addressing all our comments?
Also please let us know if the WB on the personal data protection met last week and which are the next steps and timeline.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Maddalena
From: Nino Moroshkina <nino_moroshkina@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:43 AM
To: Maddalena Honorati <mhonorati@worldbank.org>; Volkan Cetinkaya <vcetinkaya@worldbank.org>
Cc: Lela Ghongadze <lghongadze@worldbank.org>; Alicia C. Marguerie <amarguerie@worldbank.org>; Nino Kvernadze <ninokvernadze@moh.gov.ge>;
Djamshid Iriskulov <diriskulov@worldbank.org>; Natalie Godziashvili <ngodziashvili@moh.gov.ge>; Lia Tavadze <ltavadze@moh.gov.ge>
Subject: Meeting on July 15th at 2PM Tbs time
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Dear Colleagues,
As agreed, we will be having the meeting tomorrow, July 15th at 2 PM Tbs time.
There are two main topics to discuss:
1. Finalization of the POM
2. The Global Reimbursement Manual
I will be going to the ministry.
Lela will send us the Webex invite shortly.
Please feel free to expand the list of participants for the meeting.
Best regards, Nino