Fwd: RE: Training for setup and using GEO2018 groupers
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ketevan Goginashvili
To: Järveläinen Jussi
Cc: Serpola Pekka , "'Lasha Nikola (lashanikola@gmail.com)'" , "'Maia maglakelidze-khomeriki (Mmaglakelidze-khomeriki@ssa.gov.ge)'" , "srostiashvili@ssa.gov.ge" , "'itabatadze@ssa.gov.ge'" , "tengoabazadze@gmail.com"
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 10:38:54 +0000
Subject: RE: Training for setup and using GEO2018 groupers
Dear Jussi,
Thank you for support.
For us Skype training time: 6.3.2019 at 12-14 Georgian time is more
convenient.
With best regards, Keti
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Internally displaced Persons
from Occupied Territories,
Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984
From: Järveläinen Jussi [mailto:Jussi.Jarvelainen@prodacapo.com]
Sent: 28 February, 2019 13:40
To: Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: Serpola Pekka
Subject: Training for setup and using GEO2018 groupers
Hello,
Next step is that we have a Skype training ca. 2h, for setups and using
the groupers.
Would either of these time slots suit to you next week?
6.3.2019 at 12-14 Georgian time
or
7.3.2019 at 12-14 Georgian time
Contents is how to download from our server, install, feed input data and
use the new Georgian grouper versions at Your site: batch grouper,
VisualDRG and Web API. Thus, this is both technical and general contents.
Best regards,
Jussi
From: Järveläinen Jussi
Sent: 26. helmikuuta 2019 13:28
To: 'Martti Virtanen'
>;
'Ketevan Goginashvili'
>
Cc: Serpola Pekka
>
Subject: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Hello,
Thank-you!
We can now update the final production versions and setup kits.
Best regards,
Jussi
From: Martti Virtanen
>
Sent: 26. helmikuuta 2019 13:22
To: Järveläinen Jussi
>
; 'Ketevan Goginashvili'
>
Cc: Serpola Pekka
>
Subject: VS: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Here is the certificate
Greetings
Martti
Martti Virtanen
CEO
Nordic Casemix Centre
Paciuksenkatu 19
00270 Helsinki
Finland
martti.virtanen(at)nordcase.org
+3585066728
Lähettäjä: Järveläinen Jussi
>
Lähetetty: tiistai 26. helmikuuta 2019 8.48
Vastaanottaja: Ketevan Goginashvili
>; 'Martti
Virtanen
(martti.virtanen@nordcase.org)'
>
Kopio: Serpola Pekka
>
Aihe: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Hello!
Thank-you for the new translations, those are now added to VisualDRG.
We should be now ready to build the final production versions.
Martti: What is the status of certification? (Certification application
sent Feb 12th)
Best regards,
Jussi
From: Ketevan Goginashvili
>
Sent: 22. helmikuuta 2019 6:56
To: Serpola Pekka
>
Cc: Järveläinen Jussi
>
Subject: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Dear Pekka Serpola,
ATC codes is not translated, as we agreed we don’t need Georgian
translation.
Smaller csv file (ICD10 Names.xlsx) with 103 lines – Martti sent us as
for checking.
“Dear Jussi and Ketevan
Most of the codes where either not marked as active or not included in
the table of ICD-10 codes sent from Georgia.
Some existing codes may have errors in the data – maternal codes
(O-codes) are not accepted for neonates and neonatal codes are not
accepted for mother (or other adults)
My comments are below in the table marked with red
There are a number of inactive codes that might be in use.
I attach a list of these codes. When you have checked these codes, please
send me a list of eventual corrections so that I can make a corrected
version of the definition tables”
With best regards,
Keti
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Internally displaced Persons
from Occupied Territories,
Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984
From: Serpola Pekka [mailto:Pekka.Serpola@prodacapo.com]
Sent: 19 February, 2019 11:31
To: Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: Järveläinen Jussi
Subject: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Hello
I have some questions about the csv files you sent us. The first one
(10803 rows) has ICD name translations with ATC codes included. ATC codes
seem not to have any translation. How you want these to be treated.
Should we ignore those, use the English name or do you provide
translations later?
Does the context of this file differ from the translation file we have
received earlier (without ATC codes)?
There is also smaller csv file (ICD10 Names.xlsx) with 103 lines. What is
the purpose of this file?
Best regards,
Pekka Serpola
From: Ketevan Goginashvili
>
Sent: perjantai 15. helmikuuta 2019 12.55
To: Järveläinen Jussi
>
; Martti Virtanen
>
Cc: Maia maglakelidze-khomeriki
>; 'itabatadze@ssa.gov.ge'
>;
srostiashvili@ssa.gov.ge; Serpola Pekka
>;
kristiina.kahur@nordcase.org
Subject: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Dear Jussi,
Thank you for information. I am resending you corrected two files. Also
next week our experts will be in Tbilisi (Kritiina Kahur and Triin
Habicht) is it possible to provide skype call on Tuesday, 19.02?
Thank you in advance,
Keti
Ketevan Goginashvili, MPH
Head of Health Policy Division
Health Care Department
Ministry of Internally displaced Persons
from Occupied Territories,
Labor, Health and Social Affairs
144 Tsereteli Ave
Tbilisi 0119, Georgia
Tel: +995 32 251 00 38 ext 1108
Mob: 995 577717984
From: Järveläinen Jussi [mailto:Jussi.Jarvelainen@prodacapo.com]
Sent: 06 February, 2019 13:50
To: Martti Virtanen; Ketevan Goginashvili
Cc: Maia maglakelidze-khomeriki; 'itabatadze@ssa.gov.ge';
srostiashvili@ssa.gov.ge; Serpola Pekka;
kristiina.kahur@nordcase.org
Subject: RE: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Hello!
Status (numbering equal to list in the previous mail)
1. In the tables ”v1.1” from NCC 4.2.2019, K436 and K437 are
now included, thank-you Martti! We do not see any errors or obvious
shortcomings in our testing w. test data set. Of course this is not and
is not intended to be a full scale clinical coding data vs. grouper
quality assurance.
I suggest to go on and build actual production version setup kits with
this definitions tables version.
2. PDC sends certification application to NCC.
3. NCC sends PDF certificate to us.
Another topic was (not related directly to NCC’s def tables because we
must maintain those external from original tables, because of UTF-8
character coding required) final diagnosis translations to Georgian.
There were some missing translations. Now, in this new NCC’s table set
v1.1 ATC codes are no longer included, those do not affect DRG results
and having or not those included in VisualDRG diagnosis selection tool is
of minor importance but having them do not cause any harm either. Have
you filled in the missing translations? Also we can proceed w/o anything
new, in which case some dg codes may lack Georgian text in VisualDRG,
which doesn’t affect grouping output anyhow. Note that this is not a
list of accepted and known dg codes for DRG but a list for helper
function to data entry in VD. Ref. to my mail and Excel attachment
23.1.2019 “Georgian ICD-10 text for VisualDRG”. Will you send new
translations or do we proceed with existing ones?
Best regards,
Jussi
From: Järveläinen Jussi
Sent: 31. tammikuuta 2019 16:03
To: 'Martti Virtanen'
>;
'Ketevan Goginashvili'
>;
'kristiina.kahur@nordcase.org'
>
Cc: 'Maia maglakelidze-khomeriki'
>; 'itabatadze@ssa.gov.ge'
>;
'srostiashvili@ssa.gov.ge'
>; Serpola
Pekka >
Subject: Finalization of GEO2018 grouper
Hello!
The next steps in co-op w. NCC should be the following. Refer also to
e-mails 23.1.2019.
1. We’ll get a new definitions table set from NCC, including diagnosis
codes K436 and K437, or a confirmation that those will not be added in
this version.
2. We’ll send application for certification to NCC including the
standard test case file with known errors mainly in DRGs 388 and 390 vs
test cases in tables.
3. NCC sends to us a certificate (PDF) similar with Nordic certificates
for version GEO2018PR1.
This version or certification doesn’t cause expenses to Georgian
Ministry or Prodacapo, from NCC.
RFC? Agree or disagree on something?
Best regards,
Jussi
From: Järveläinen Jussi
Sent: 23. tammikuuta 2019 15:53
To: 'Martti Virtanen'
>;
'Ketevan Goginashvili'
>;
'kristiina.kahur@nordcase.org'
>
Cc: 'Maia maglakelidze-khomeriki'
>; 'itabatadze@ssa.gov.ge'
>;
'srostiashvili@ssa.gov.ge'
>; Serpola
Pekka >
Subject: RFC: Certification of GEO version of NordDRG by NCC ?
Hello!
We must agree on whether GEO grouper version will be certified by NCC,
and if yes then how.
Certification is a standard procedure for the Nordic versions formally.
If we certify, then
• We’ll send certification files to NCC (standard
“Certification kit” including test.txt), who checks the results and
writes to us a certificate. In practice the certificate is an one page
signed (by NCC) document as PDF, that states that Prodacapo’s grouper
version GEO2018PR1 works according to NCC’s specifications.
• Test cases in current definition tables resulted in ca. 590
error cases. We checked briefly w. Kristiina Kahur (the previous table
set earlier last year) and her conclusion was that those doesn’t seem
to be errors of grouper. Erroneous test cases in GEO tables (attached)
originate probably from using LAT versions test cases, not updated in
full. Those are mostly in newborns DRG groups (388, 390). Errors log
attached.
• Extra work involved for certification (preparations, test
case updates etc.) could mean extra work for us or NCC.
Of course we can alternatively mutually agree on not to certify, in which
case we remove certification information from our batch grouper, Web API
and VisualDRG software packages for this version.
What do you think, how to proceed?
Best regards,
Jussi